Comments on: Friday Round-Up http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/friday-round-up-2/ Musings on federalism, feminism, and food. Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:22:24 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: theobromophile http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/friday-round-up-2/#comment-12192 theobromophile Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:33:14 +0000 http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/?p=500#comment-12192 SST, Someday, you'll get a blog. :) Senators make about what first-year associates at top firms make. SST,

Someday, you’ll get a blog. :)

Senators make about what first-year associates at top firms make.

]]> By: theobromophile http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/friday-round-up-2/#comment-12194 theobromophile Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:32:25 +0000 http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/?p=500#comment-12194 <blockquote>Wow, those are some serious wages for associates! I’m with you - just reduce the pay and the hours.</blockquote> Pardon me, as this may sound harsh, but no 25-year-old is worth that money. I'm sorry, but when you graduate from law school, you have no practical experience. Law school teaches you to "think like a lawyer," but is woefully bad in preparing its graduates to actually do the day-to-day aspects of lawyering. Other professions, like engineering and accounting, start off much lower (even accounting for hours) but go up to mirror value added to the firm (and to clients). Lewd, See, that's the problem - they want to pay you the salary of someone who works 40 hours a week, but want you to put in 80. That is the opposite disconnect from the grads who want to the salary of a 100-hour/week attorney, but work 40 to 50.

Wow, those are some serious wages for associates! I’m with you – just reduce the pay and the hours.

Pardon me, as this may sound harsh, but no 25-year-old is worth that money. I’m sorry, but when you graduate from law school, you have no practical experience. Law school teaches you to “think like a lawyer,” but is woefully bad in preparing its graduates to actually do the day-to-day aspects of lawyering.

Other professions, like engineering and accounting, start off much lower (even accounting for hours) but go up to mirror value added to the firm (and to clients).

Lewd,

See, that’s the problem – they want to pay you the salary of someone who works 40 hours a week, but want you to put in 80.

That is the opposite disconnect from the grads who want to the salary of a 100-hour/week attorney, but work 40 to 50.

]]> By: Lewd&Lascivious http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/friday-round-up-2/#comment-12193 Lewd&Lascivious Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:56:26 +0000 http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/?p=500#comment-12193 Neil, You're so right. Take the highest annual billing rate in that article---2200---and that's the target set for me in my department, except for less than half the salary quoted as the average rate in the article. And my boss thinks I'm lazy. This year has been so miserable so far, I'm actually starting to think it's a big part of the reason I keep getting sick! Neil,
You’re so right. Take the highest annual billing rate in that article—2200—and that’s the target set for me in my department, except for less than half the salary quoted as the average rate in the article. And my boss thinks I’m lazy.

This year has been so miserable so far, I’m actually starting to think it’s a big part of the reason I keep getting sick!

]]> By: Sunday School Teacher http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/friday-round-up-2/#comment-12195 Sunday School Teacher Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:14:17 +0000 http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/?p=500#comment-12195 The Senate is just living up to its motto, "If it ain't broke, fix it till it is." Massachusetts should consider a law against reckless driving. Maybe the Senate should mandate that those $160,000 a year associates all buy new Fords. By the way, what do Senators make? The Senate is just living up to its motto, “If it ain’t broke, fix it till it is.”

Massachusetts should consider a law against reckless driving.

Maybe the Senate should mandate that those $160,000 a year associates all buy new Fords.

By the way, what do Senators make?

]]> By: Neil http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/friday-round-up-2/#comment-12196 Neil Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:08:09 +0000 http://helvidiuspachyderm.wordpress.com/?p=500#comment-12196 But the Senate has solved all of our other problems, so they need something to do. Give them a break and let them fix the college thing :-). Wow, those are some serious wages for associates! I'm with you - just reduce the pay and the hours. What is so complicated about that? These lawyers are smart about law but nto about people management. I'd love to give them some management lessons on how to keep people happy, ensure they have work/life balance, get great results and have extremely low turnover. But the Senate has solved all of our other problems, so they need something to do. Give them a break and let them fix the college thing :-).

Wow, those are some serious wages for associates! I’m with you – just reduce the pay and the hours. What is so complicated about that? These lawyers are smart about law but nto about people management. I’d love to give them some management lessons on how to keep people happy, ensure they have work/life balance, get great results and have extremely low turnover.

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